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Bolded Former Members[edit]

I have noticed that within the past year, some users have vandalized popular '80s band templates by bolding a selection of former members of the band. Some examples of this are the Journey template, the Foreigner template, and the Boston template (which may warrant an exception IMO). But I'm kind of baffled as to why no one has taken care of this yet... I mean, if we're going to bold former members who have long been associated with the band, why not bold Dennis DeYoung on the Styx template, Steve Gaines and Ronnie Van Zant on the Lynyrd Skynyrd template, or Bon Scott, Malcolm Young and even Simon Wright on the AC/DC template? This practice of bolding former members based on their level of involvement seems highly subjective to me. Molandfreak (talk) 05:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I would not say that is vandalising, but maybe a point of discussion? If you disagree maybe start a discussion on the talk page? It would help if the actual templates were linked in your post. Karst (talk) 08:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Is it because they were founding members? Because I think that would be a fair assessment. DLManiac (talk) 09:53, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Band member timeline standards.[edit]

I was wondering if there has been an established standard for colors and order of band member timelines. If not, then I think it would be beneficial to do so. I have seen several that use the following:
Lead Vocals : Red
Lead Guitar: Green
Rhythm Guitar: BrightGreen
Bass: Blue
Drums: Orange
Keyboards: Purple.
And they are usually in order top to bottom like that^ then secondarily ordered by when the member joined the band.

There is some discussion on the Aerosmith Talk page right now about this, and I am not sure that the other editor is making a decent argument about the point, but I could be wrong.

Any help or point to where I may find an "official" standard would be greatly appreciated! DLManiac (talk) 09:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Could you link through to the section on the Aerosmith discussion please? Karst (talk) 10:30, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't think about that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aerosmith#Members_Timeline_Visuals DLManiac (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Make it a WP:PROPOSAL Karst (talk) 11:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Do I do that here Karst? I'm a little new to the democracy side of wikipedia. Thanks for the help!DLManiac (talk) 00:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
If consensus is found here, then, yes, that would help. You would have to go through the entire process outlined at WP:PROPOSAL. As this is a style-related issue it will have to be added to WP:Manual of Style at some point. Someone who has experience with all that might be able to help you further. This page is only for discussing issues around Rock Music, it does not implement policy. Karst (talk) 11:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I also support the implementation of the timeline standard suggested by DLManiac. It is widely used by most bands on Wikipedia. The timeline recolouring issue is a problem on other articles as well, I've already had to make several reverts on the Pythia (band) article which then subsequently end up getting the reverted back by the person who's been doing the recolouring of the timeline. I eventually stopped reverting his changes in order to prevent an edit-war. I've looked through the talk page on the Aerosmith article and I think it's the same person who's "re-standardising" everything there as it is on the Pythia page. I eventually brought it up on the user's talk page and he seems more than adamant over using his own design. The standard suggested is what everyone is used to, all someone needs to do is look and that would enable them to think "her bar is red so she must be singing vocals" for example. It would make things much easier and more convenient for anyone reading the article. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way on the matter. I'll also leave the original Pythia timeline that I implemented for comparison here along with the recoloured timeline here. --TheUndyingAnchor (talk) 11:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I see that there. It's a little ridiculous that he wants stuff to be uniform, yet he goes out of his way to make things exactly the opposite. What will end up is all of his favorite bands having timelines that don't match the rest of the site. DLManiac (talk) 00:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. My discussion with him ended with him asking me to stop reverting it and like I said, I did in order to not start an edit-war. However I'm genuinely thinking about reverting it after seeing that other people are getting annoyed by this situation. I'm seeing some stuff about an official WP proposal to implement this timeline standard. Is this proposal underway yet? --TheUndyingAnchor (talk) 15:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Another thing I've noticed is that when this guy reverts any changes to his timeline standard, he reverts them on the grounds of being "nonconstructive" even if a valid edit summary is given which is just downright ludicrous. I've seen this happen on both the Aerosmith and Pythia articles. I've also noticed that the Green Day article is also having this issue with the recoloured timelines from the same user. --TheUndyingAnchor (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

As DLManiac asked, where would be the best place to discuss a proposed standard for time line colors (and possibly other formatting)? Here in this talk page section? And if a consensus was reached, where would the standard be documented? And as far as this already-often-used set of colors, can someone provide a link to an example? Thanks. "P.S." In case this helps at all, here's a previous discussion about this that did not end up with any consensus: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music/Archive 5#Standardized Timeline Colors — Mudwater (Talk) 03:57, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Def Leppard, Van Halen, Foreigner (band), Bon Jovi, Deep Purple, The Rolling Stones, Journey (band), REO Speedwagon, Scorpions (band), nearly every rock band you can think of other than the ones that have been recently added by the other user. DLManiac (talk) 04:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
After going through and reading that previous thread, I see there was no real conclusion. However, I didn't see too much opposition. And, as far as I can tell, the standard he set is VERY prevalent across the whole site at this point in time. Which leads me to believe that we should keep following that, instead of going for something new. DLManiac (talk) 04:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
It looks like red would be used for any vocalist (i.e. background singers as well as lead singers). What color should be used for horn players (saxophone, etc.)? And what color should be used for multi-instrumentalists who switch off a lot (not just occasionally) between two or more instruments? Also, if we're going to agree on a standard, I think we should not use multi-color lines to indicate which musicians sing. Let's use single colors for the instruments, whether they sing or not, and another color such as red for people on sing without playing an instrument. — Mudwater (Talk) 10:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I forgot to say, I would strongly advocate for lead guitar and rhythm guitar being combined into only one color for guitar (which under the current proposal would be green). It's the same instrument, just played in a different style, and quite a lot of guitarists play both lead and rhythm, or even a style that combines both. — Mudwater (Talk) 12:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I have to disagree on the point about multi-coloured lines as I feel it is important to show if a musician in the band plays multiple roles. For example, a bassist who sings backup vocals should have a thick blue line to indicate he's a bassist along with a thinner red line inside the blue one to indicate he also sings backup vocals. This would show that the musician has multiple roles in the band which I feel is an important piece of information that should certainly be mentioned in the article. It's mentioned in the band memberlist yes, but it should stay in the timeline also since most people are more likely to look at a timeline due to its graphical nature. As for the multi-instrumentalist colour, I remember seeing the multi-instrumentalist with a grey bar on one timeline. I currently have mixed feelings about merging the two guitar bars into one so I'm neutral there for now, I'll probably post some feedback regarding that later on down the line. --TheUndyingAnchor (talk) 22:33, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia of Punk Rock[edit]

Does anybody here maybe have a copy of the above title, edited by Brian Cogan? I'm adding some references to the Broken Bones (band) and I think the entry for them in the book would be quite useful. Thanks. Karst (talk) 12:13, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Style for non-star reviewer ratings in album's ratings box[edit]

There's a discussion underway at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums#New ratings stylisation for PopMatters, NOW, Fact, Kerrang, etc. All interested editors are encouraged to participate. Thanks, JG66 (talk) 00:19, 13 December 2014 (UTC)